Comments on: Save Moat Brae http://www.moatbrae.org and the garden that inspired 'Peter Pan' Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:31:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: High profile listed buildling case at Moat Brae House, Dumfries | IHBC Scotland News http://www.moatbrae.org/save-moat-brae/comment-page-1/#comment-34 High profile listed buildling case at Moat Brae House, Dumfries | IHBC Scotland News Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:03:18 +0000 http://www.moatbrae.org/?page_id=24#comment-34 [...] Link offered for information without comment or endorsement: http://www.moatbrae.org/save-moat-brae/ [...] [...] Link offered for information without comment or endorsement: http://www.moatbrae.org/save-moat-brae/ [...]

]]> By: YVIETEARE http://www.moatbrae.org/save-moat-brae/comment-page-1/#comment-33 YVIETEARE Sun, 23 Aug 2009 06:14:04 +0000 http://www.moatbrae.org/?page_id=24#comment-33 Is it true that a joint bid will be put forward to Loreburn from the Trust and The Dumfries and Galloway Council? The meeting was fantastic and the support from those there was solid. With some big hitters on our side we must be hopeful of saving the building now. Is it true that a joint bid will be put forward to Loreburn from the Trust and The Dumfries and Galloway Council?
The meeting was fantastic and the support from those there was solid.
With some big hitters on our side we must be hopeful of saving the building now.

]]> By: NR http://www.moatbrae.org/save-moat-brae/comment-page-1/#comment-32 NR Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:26:13 +0000 http://www.moatbrae.org/?page_id=24#comment-32 The building is not in imminent danger of collapse, it is not a danger to the passing public, it has been inspected by one of the UK's leading historic building engineers (Charles Blackett-Ord, Appleby, Cumbria) and one of the leading conservation architects (James Simpson, Edinburgh) and although it requires urgent work to turn off the water supply and prevent further vandalism and flooding, replace a long missing skylight to prevent further water ingress and deterioration, ensure the dome is watertight, and the building allowed to dry out, it is NOT beyond rescue. Once the building is watertight then dry rot will die also, as it needs a level of moisture to thrive. It is also the case that removal of the fine interior, of which a great deal survives, would mean destruction of the listed building. This sort of destruction and facade retention scheme is not what conservation of important historic architecture is about. It should not be contemplated. Newall was a fine architect, and his work should be respected. Grants (including heritage lottery funding) should be available to help repair/restore the whole historic building, if the building and garden can be acquired, and the right re-use scheme is brought forward (not a facade scheme). I understand that such schemes are being urgently considered by the newly formed Building Preservation Trust, with professional high level advice being given. The building and the garden cannot and should not be considered separately. The Trust needs all the support, practical and financial, it can get at this time. This is not now simply a local matter, it is a national cause, if not an international one, see website below: http://www.savebritainsheritage.org/news/article.php?id=86 We all just have to shout loudly that we believe in fairies! But it can happen. Give this all the suport you can. The rescue of this house and garden will not be rapid, not be easy, but will be supremely worthwhile. I have no doubt that all practical and financial support, including donations, will be hugely welcomed, and the matter of financial support is an urgent one. The building is not in imminent danger of collapse, it is not a danger to the passing public, it has been inspected by one of the UK’s leading historic building engineers (Charles Blackett-Ord, Appleby, Cumbria) and one of the leading conservation architects (James Simpson, Edinburgh) and although it requires urgent work to turn off the water supply and prevent further vandalism and flooding, replace a long missing skylight to prevent further water ingress and deterioration, ensure the dome is watertight, and the building allowed to dry out, it is NOT beyond rescue. Once the building is watertight then dry rot will die also, as it needs a level of moisture to thrive.

It is also the case that removal of the fine interior, of which a great deal survives, would mean destruction of the listed building. This sort of destruction and facade retention scheme is not what conservation of important historic architecture is about. It should not be contemplated. Newall was a fine architect, and his work should be respected.

Grants (including heritage lottery funding) should be available to help repair/restore the whole historic building, if the building and garden can be acquired, and the right re-use scheme is brought forward (not a facade scheme). I understand that such schemes are being urgently considered by the newly formed Building Preservation Trust, with professional high level advice being given.

The building and the garden cannot and should not be considered separately.

The Trust needs all the support, practical and financial, it can get at this time. This is not now simply a local matter, it is a national cause, if not an international one, see website below:

http://www.savebritainsheritage.org/news/article.php?id=86

We all just have to shout loudly that we believe in fairies! But it can happen. Give this all the suport you can.

The rescue of this house and garden will not be rapid, not be easy, but will be supremely worthwhile.

I have no doubt that all practical and financial support, including donations, will be hugely welcomed, and the matter of financial support is an urgent one.

]]> By: Yvie Teare http://www.moatbrae.org/save-moat-brae/comment-page-1/#comment-30 Yvie Teare Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:06:29 +0000 http://www.moatbrae.org/?page_id=24#comment-30 I am rather bemused as to why last nights message was deleted. Anyway,once again all the best Roger and lets hope lots of money can be raised to halt the decline of this building. I believe many council officials are keen to lend support so it may be that they will step in help us financially. This building is an asset to Dumfries and the people here should be ashamed it has been neglected like this. I am rather bemused as to why last nights message was deleted.
Anyway,once again all the best Roger and lets hope lots of money can be raised to halt the decline of this building.
I believe many council officials are keen to lend support so it may be that they will step in help us financially.
This building is an asset to Dumfries and the people here should be ashamed it has been neglected like this.

]]> By: Yvie http://www.moatbrae.org/save-moat-brae/comment-page-1/#comment-29 Yvie Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:08:15 +0000 http://www.moatbrae.org/?page_id=24#comment-29 Best wishes on your campaign Roger,the building once restored to its former glory will make the most wonderful art gallery. We simply cant allow "social housing" on this site and we must repel boarders at all costs!! Best wishes on your campaign Roger,the building once restored to its former glory will make the most wonderful art gallery.
We simply cant allow “social housing” on this site and we must repel boarders at all costs!!

]]> By: SP Burns http://www.moatbrae.org/save-moat-brae/comment-page-1/#comment-27 SP Burns Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:43:29 +0000 http://www.moatbrae.org/?page_id=24#comment-27 i would like to add that i am fully supportive of any practical scheme to bring this building back to life. It is scandalous that the Council in Dumfries, with their usual apathy have allowed this piece of history to deteriorate to the extent it has. And, what role have Historic Scotland had in this? However, I feel it is important to note that it is the grounds which are the inspiration, and, sadly, not the Newall architecture. It would though be totally appropriate for any new reconstructed interior to retain the majority of the elements of the existing building; particularly the dome and gallery. If the building interior structure could be saved then fine I would welcome that, but the situation is as far as i can see terminal. This is not LHAs fault. Look elsewhere for targets to blame.....(BTW i have no connection to LHA, no involvement in the structural decision process, and no professional axe to grind. I only want this building brought back into useful service as a memorial to Barrie, and his Dumfries connections) i would like to add that i am fully supportive of any practical scheme to bring this building back to life. It is scandalous that the Council in Dumfries, with their usual apathy have allowed this piece of history to deteriorate to the extent it has. And, what role have Historic Scotland had in this? However, I feel it is important to note that it is the grounds which are the inspiration, and, sadly, not the Newall architecture. It would though be totally appropriate for any new reconstructed interior to retain the majority of the elements of the existing building; particularly the dome and gallery. If the building interior structure could be saved then fine I would welcome that, but the situation is as far as i can see terminal. This is not LHAs fault. Look elsewhere for targets to blame…..(BTW i have no connection to LHA, no involvement in the structural decision process, and no professional axe to grind. I only want this building brought back into useful service as a memorial to Barrie, and his Dumfries connections)

]]> By: SP Burns http://www.moatbrae.org/save-moat-brae/comment-page-1/#comment-26 SP Burns Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:42:11 +0000 http://www.moatbrae.org/?page_id=24#comment-26 just to add, you appear to be allowing people on this site to believe the plan is total removal. it is not....a new internal structure will be proposed using the existing georgian facade, so, no new box of flats is intended! just to add, you appear to be allowing people on this site to believe the plan is total removal. it is not….a new internal structure will be proposed using the existing georgian facade, so, no new box of flats is intended!

]]> By: SP Burns http://www.moatbrae.org/save-moat-brae/comment-page-1/#comment-25 SP Burns Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:38:59 +0000 http://www.moatbrae.org/?page_id=24#comment-25 Whilst i full support any attempt to save historical buildings for Dumfries, this is unfortunately a dangerous building. The trust misrepresent LHA in their text by stating LHA have allowed the rot to set in. I was in the building on their takeover in an engineering capacity and can confirm that the rot/deterioration was well in place.Trust supporters have had ample opportunity to purchase the building in the past or propose renovation, but no one was interested. Only now when a worthwhile proposal is on the cards, to make the building first of all safe for those who will have to work on it in the future, and secondly to make it a valuable asset to the town do the renovationists crawl out of the woodwork. Where were you for the last ten years? Whilst i full support any attempt to save historical buildings for Dumfries, this is unfortunately a dangerous building. The trust misrepresent LHA in their text by stating LHA have allowed the rot to set in. I was in the building on their takeover in an engineering capacity and can confirm that the rot/deterioration was well in place.Trust supporters have had ample opportunity to purchase the building in the past or propose renovation, but no one was interested. Only now when a worthwhile proposal is on the cards, to make the building first of all safe for those who will have to work on it in the future, and secondly to make it a valuable asset to the town do the renovationists crawl out of the woodwork. Where were you for the last ten years?

]]> By: Mary Roslin http://www.moatbrae.org/save-moat-brae/comment-page-1/#comment-22 Mary Roslin Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:23:05 +0000 http://www.moatbrae.org/?page_id=24#comment-22 I support the restoration of this house that has an interesting history- an asset for Dumfries. I support the restoration of this house that has an interesting history- an asset for Dumfries.

]]> By: Patrick Lorimer http://www.moatbrae.org/save-moat-brae/comment-page-1/#comment-21 Patrick Lorimer Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:19:24 +0000 http://www.moatbrae.org/?page_id=24#comment-21 The building is not about to collapse and is patently salvageable this in spite of a lack of planned maintenance by the current owners. It's a structure of considerable merit and probably should be jump listed to Category A. It is critical that it is conserved repaired and bought back into use, as the town would be further impoverished were it to be 'removed' Good luck to the BPT. The building is not about to collapse and is patently salvageable this in spite of a lack of planned maintenance by the current owners. It’s a structure of considerable merit and probably should be jump listed to Category A. It is critical that it is conserved repaired and bought back into use, as the town would be further impoverished were it to be ‘removed’
Good luck to the BPT.

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